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		<title>Comment on The Dimensions of &#8220;Social&#8221; in &#8220;Learning&#8221; by Tracy Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.learningconversations.ca/2010/07/22/the-dimensions-of-social-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Ira, the domains of learning are fluid. 

My Masters program was based on those three types of learning - self, community, teacher. The first year was very challenging as we are so conditioned to teacher-based learning. The experience changed me as a teacher, as a person.

It was an &lt;a href=&quot;http://ahsc.concordia.ca/gradintro.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MA in Human Systems Intervention&lt;/a&gt; at Concordia University in Montreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ira, the domains of learning are fluid. </p>
<p>My Masters program was based on those three types of learning &#8211; self, community, teacher. The first year was very challenging as we are so conditioned to teacher-based learning. The experience changed me as a teacher, as a person.</p>
<p>It was an <a href="http://ahsc.concordia.ca/gradintro.html" rel="nofollow">MA in Human Systems Intervention</a> at Concordia University in Montreal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dimensions of &#8220;Social&#8221; in &#8220;Learning&#8221; by Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 20:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder... 

If you&#039;re reading and taking notes, isn&#039;t that still &quot;learning from&quot; someone? Isn&#039;t that still &quot;social&quot;, even though you&#039;re not face to face with the author?

And the bike riding - perhaps that&#039;s self reflection? Self assessment and self guided improvement? More in terms of a physical skill, as opposed to thought processes and self knowledge, but similar...

I&#039;m thinking that the three types of network/learning I described could still fit the dimension you added, without adding a fourth category. What do you think?

Thanks for the push back, Brian! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder&#8230; </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re reading and taking notes, isn&#8217;t that still &#8220;learning from&#8221; someone? Isn&#8217;t that still &#8220;social&#8221;, even though you&#8217;re not face to face with the author?</p>
<p>And the bike riding &#8211; perhaps that&#8217;s self reflection? Self assessment and self guided improvement? More in terms of a physical skill, as opposed to thought processes and self knowledge, but similar&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that the three types of network/learning I described could still fit the dimension you added, without adding a fourth category. What do you think?</p>
<p>Thanks for the push back, Brian! <img src='http://www.learningconversations.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dimensions of &#8220;Social&#8221; in &#8220;Learning&#8221; by Brian Kuhn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 19:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that learning is social but I think there is a 4th dimension that is not.  But, it really depends on the person.  We are a spectrum of learners with different preferences at different times for different domains.  So it depends... but, I think the 4th dimension is private alone learning.  A personal example - I am a passionate downhill mountain biker.  I learn and improve my riding socially with my riding buddies.  But, I also like solo riding by myself.  I find that I can often hone skills, enjoy the ride better without the social aspect.  It&#039;s more efficient, pressure free, and a blast.  I find the same for learning new knowledge - reading and note taking isn&#039;t normally social.  Etc.  So, yes learning is social but I think there is also a key element or pathway that is not, that does not involve experts, peers, or reflection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that learning is social but I think there is a 4th dimension that is not.  But, it really depends on the person.  We are a spectrum of learners with different preferences at different times for different domains.  So it depends&#8230; but, I think the 4th dimension is private alone learning.  A personal example &#8211; I am a passionate downhill mountain biker.  I learn and improve my riding socially with my riding buddies.  But, I also like solo riding by myself.  I find that I can often hone skills, enjoy the ride better without the social aspect.  It&#8217;s more efficient, pressure free, and a blast.  I find the same for learning new knowledge &#8211; reading and note taking isn&#8217;t normally social.  Etc.  So, yes learning is social but I think there is also a key element or pathway that is not, that does not involve experts, peers, or reflection.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dimensions of &#8220;Social&#8221; in &#8220;Learning&#8221; by Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think about the idea of the expert sometimes teaches the learner and sometimes learns from the learner -it is a recursive circle for me. Some of the most important experts in my life have been five years old. When I moved from being a secondary educator into the role of an elementary principal, I was astounded at the learning energy in kindergartners which even exceeded that of the middle schoolers, I appreciated. In immersing myself in classrooms, I was mesmerized by the many teachers I found in the kindergartners. &quot;I build my towers sideway, not up and down. &quot;We are playing rose kitties- it&#039;s a story about all of us in here and how we found our way through the rose maze.&quot;  &quot;I can count using the ceiling- I don&#039;t need blocks(unifix cubes)&quot; What I learned is that kids figure out learning through multiple pathways that involve borrowing from others&#039; expertise, sharing their own, and within the context of social meaning-making with each other. I also learned that kids are imaginative learners who also borrow from the learning spaces in which they co-exist with classmates, the teacher, and all kinds of tools- some of which even the adult teacher had not imagined. I fear we adults lose the capability to find learning anywhere, to initiate our own learning, and scaffold competencies. If we could duplicate the best K learning environments in the nation for all young learners and ourselves, the system you describe in theory might simply be the unlearning of what comes after K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think about the idea of the expert sometimes teaches the learner and sometimes learns from the learner -it is a recursive circle for me. Some of the most important experts in my life have been five years old. When I moved from being a secondary educator into the role of an elementary principal, I was astounded at the learning energy in kindergartners which even exceeded that of the middle schoolers, I appreciated. In immersing myself in classrooms, I was mesmerized by the many teachers I found in the kindergartners. &#8220;I build my towers sideway, not up and down. &#8220;We are playing rose kitties- it&#8217;s a story about all of us in here and how we found our way through the rose maze.&#8221;  &#8220;I can count using the ceiling- I don&#8217;t need blocks(unifix cubes)&#8221; What I learned is that kids figure out learning through multiple pathways that involve borrowing from others&#8217; expertise, sharing their own, and within the context of social meaning-making with each other. I also learned that kids are imaginative learners who also borrow from the learning spaces in which they co-exist with classmates, the teacher, and all kinds of tools- some of which even the adult teacher had not imagined. I fear we adults lose the capability to find learning anywhere, to initiate our own learning, and scaffold competencies. If we could duplicate the best K learning environments in the nation for all young learners and ourselves, the system you describe in theory might simply be the unlearning of what comes after K.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dimensions of &#8220;Social&#8221; in &#8220;Learning&#8221; by Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ira,
Such good points - and I think the idea of &quot;dimensions&quot; fits the fluidity you talk about really well. Just like we freely move through the three dimensions of this physical world we live in, as needed, appropriate to the needs of the moment - so we move through these dimensions of learning.

And, as you point out, independent of titles or positions! I wonder how the business world will change as our kids move into it without the same preconceptions about hierarchy? Right now, traditional business complain about the &quot;lack of respect&quot; from this generation. But perhaps we&#039;ll all learn to navigate that dynamic better over time?

Thanks for your comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ira,<br />
Such good points &#8211; and I think the idea of &#8220;dimensions&#8221; fits the fluidity you talk about really well. Just like we freely move through the three dimensions of this physical world we live in, as needed, appropriate to the needs of the moment &#8211; so we move through these dimensions of learning.</p>
<p>And, as you point out, independent of titles or positions! I wonder how the business world will change as our kids move into it without the same preconceptions about hierarchy? Right now, traditional business complain about the &#8220;lack of respect&#8221; from this generation. But perhaps we&#8217;ll all learn to navigate that dynamic better over time?</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dimensions of &#8220;Social&#8221; in &#8220;Learning&#8221; by Ira Socol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ira Socol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suggest one more step: Which is that all three are fluid. Teachers become learners become peers, etc, as the questions change. That non-hierarchical social structure is the biggest gift of our &quot;post-Gutenberg&quot; technologies, and most students, from their game-learning experiences, already know that age/title/credentials mean less than knowledge value and ability to share, before they ever come to school.

This includes our personal reflection, which often requires the variety of &quot;imperfect mirrors&quot; that our human community provides. This is the advantage of, say, blogging a concept before writing an article - the process of &quot;talking to yourself in front of an audience&quot; has great advantages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest one more step: Which is that all three are fluid. Teachers become learners become peers, etc, as the questions change. That non-hierarchical social structure is the biggest gift of our &#8220;post-Gutenberg&#8221; technologies, and most students, from their game-learning experiences, already know that age/title/credentials mean less than knowledge value and ability to share, before they ever come to school.</p>
<p>This includes our personal reflection, which often requires the variety of &#8220;imperfect mirrors&#8221; that our human community provides. This is the advantage of, say, blogging a concept before writing an article &#8211; the process of &#8220;talking to yourself in front of an audience&#8221; has great advantages.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kids Connecting by Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dave - I&#039;ll check them out.
I also had a look at epals &amp; that looks pretty interesting as well.
H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dave &#8211; I&#8217;ll check them out.<br />
I also had a look at epals &#038; that looks pretty interesting as well.<br />
H</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kids Connecting by David Truss</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought you would be interested in Edmodo:
http://mashable.com/2008/09/18/edmodo/

What I find even more exciting is diigo educator account:
http://help.diigo.com/Diigo_Educator_Account

Cheers:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought you would be interested in Edmodo:<br />
<a href="http://mashable.com/2008/09/18/edmodo/" rel="nofollow">http://mashable.com/2008/09/18/edmodo/</a></p>
<p>What I find even more exciting is diigo educator account:<br />
<a href="http://help.diigo.com/Diigo_Educator_Account" rel="nofollow">http://help.diigo.com/Diigo_Educator_Account</a></p>
<p>Cheers:-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kids Connecting by heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,
I agree - the safety aspect can be addressed by active parenting.

Now what about creating an environment where kids will engage with each other?  How do we get them interested in connecting &amp; learning about each other?

What if we got schools from all over the world to connect with the purpose of learning about each other?  Could we get teachers to use such a site for a class assignment?  What would that look like? 

I&#039;m thinking about something like the &quot;penpal&quot; projects we used to do in elementary school.  I had a penpal in England. We would tell each other stories, ask questions, talk about our families, etc... 

How do we use technology and social media ideas to remove the limitation of pen &amp; paper, snail mail, etc...?  What if they could be more interactive - commenting on each others&#039; blogs or poems?  What if they could post their artwork or photography?  What if they could search for other kids with the same interests?  Or what if they could browse through profiles of kids that are quite different than themselves - perhaps in a very different part of the world, different culture, different beliefs.

Kids connecting, learning about each other, learning to appreciate differences, getting curious about how other people live or what other people think.

I think it could be really powerful!

Thanks for stopping by!!
Heidi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,<br />
I agree &#8211; the safety aspect can be addressed by active parenting.</p>
<p>Now what about creating an environment where kids will engage with each other?  How do we get them interested in connecting &amp; learning about each other?</p>
<p>What if we got schools from all over the world to connect with the purpose of learning about each other?  Could we get teachers to use such a site for a class assignment?  What would that look like? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about something like the &#8220;penpal&#8221; projects we used to do in elementary school.  I had a penpal in England. We would tell each other stories, ask questions, talk about our families, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>How do we use technology and social media ideas to remove the limitation of pen &amp; paper, snail mail, etc&#8230;?  What if they could be more interactive &#8211; commenting on each others&#8217; blogs or poems?  What if they could post their artwork or photography?  What if they could search for other kids with the same interests?  Or what if they could browse through profiles of kids that are quite different than themselves &#8211; perhaps in a very different part of the world, different culture, different beliefs.</p>
<p>Kids connecting, learning about each other, learning to appreciate differences, getting curious about how other people live or what other people think.</p>
<p>I think it could be really powerful!</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by!!<br />
Heidi</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kids Connecting by David Truss</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would &#039;I&#039; do to create a safe, open environment for kids to share and learn?

I&#039;d get parents (and teachers &amp; concerned adults) online with their kids. Even if a kid-only internet existed, the real internet still won&#039;t go away and kids will need to learn how to navigate it safely.

Do you let a 7 year old play in a park out of sight from you, or do you keep them within your sight? Do you ask your 14 year-old where they are going, who they are with, etc.? Do you meet the parents of your child&#039;s friend before a sleepover? Well then you should know where they visit online too. Your kid should know that you have a right, and a responsibility, to know what they do online.

...and as they get older? 

We trust a 16yr old with a car, but protect them from the &#039;grown-up&#039; internet? Hmmm... That said, when a kid learns to drive we have graduated licenses with more restrictions early on... that sounds like a good plan with the internet too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would &#8216;I&#8217; do to create a safe, open environment for kids to share and learn?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d get parents (and teachers &amp; concerned adults) online with their kids. Even if a kid-only internet existed, the real internet still won&#8217;t go away and kids will need to learn how to navigate it safely.</p>
<p>Do you let a 7 year old play in a park out of sight from you, or do you keep them within your sight? Do you ask your 14 year-old where they are going, who they are with, etc.? Do you meet the parents of your child&#8217;s friend before a sleepover? Well then you should know where they visit online too. Your kid should know that you have a right, and a responsibility, to know what they do online.</p>
<p>&#8230;and as they get older? </p>
<p>We trust a 16yr old with a car, but protect them from the &#8216;grown-up&#8217; internet? Hmmm&#8230; That said, when a kid learns to drive we have graduated licenses with more restrictions early on&#8230; that sounds like a good plan with the internet too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s Standing In The Way? by pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I&#039;ve been reflecting on this &quot;energized&quot; conversation.

I think Scott is right that it is legitimate for leaders at all levels to set expectations for our teams. So, if we believe that the world of the 21st century is different than the last century, if we feel the kids have changed, that literacies have changed, and that the tools of work and learning have changed. I believe it is important to create the expectation that what goes on in classrooms should reflect the best of those changes, also.

In addition, (not either/or) I believe we need to have revolutionary new staff development programs that focus on opening teachers so they are more present and connected to their students, so that we don&#039;t let our personalities get in the way of their learning.

These programs can re-inspire even the most jaded educators. In my experience, if you get just below the surface with most teachers, you&#039;ll find a deep passion for service, professionalism, and doing what&#039;s best for kids.

It&#039;s our job to create programs that are not just focused on technology, curriculum, and pedagogy; but focus on developing the human beings that spend most of their lives interacting with our children.

pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I&#8217;ve been reflecting on this &#8220;energized&#8221; conversation.</p>
<p>I think Scott is right that it is legitimate for leaders at all levels to set expectations for our teams. So, if we believe that the world of the 21st century is different than the last century, if we feel the kids have changed, that literacies have changed, and that the tools of work and learning have changed. I believe it is important to create the expectation that what goes on in classrooms should reflect the best of those changes, also.</p>
<p>In addition, (not either/or) I believe we need to have revolutionary new staff development programs that focus on opening teachers so they are more present and connected to their students, so that we don&#8217;t let our personalities get in the way of their learning.</p>
<p>These programs can re-inspire even the most jaded educators. In my experience, if you get just below the surface with most teachers, you&#8217;ll find a deep passion for service, professionalism, and doing what&#8217;s best for kids.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s our job to create programs that are not just focused on technology, curriculum, and pedagogy; but focus on developing the human beings that spend most of their lives interacting with our children.</p>
<p>pete</p>
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